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archangels ghosts and Bigfoot oh my it's

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just another night for Supernatural

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girls real stories real answers to

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life's biggest supernatural mysteries

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and now for another exciting interview

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with Errol experts in this world and

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others here's your host paranormal

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researcher Patricia Baker on the one the

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only

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welcome everyone to another exciting

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episode of Supernatural girls radio

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I'm your host Patricia Baker I am here

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with my co-host all the way from sunny

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Tucson at 104 degrees PK Patricia

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Kirkman are you doing tonight PK I am

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absolutely aesthetic can't wait for our

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show tonight I know we've got a terrific

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guest oh yeah always having to guess but

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we don't get wait also this isn't super

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subject you know it's one of our

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favorites dreaming well I find everybody

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dreams but me so I can't wait to talk to

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Tom well Tom's gonna straighten you

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right out I mean god I hope so help you

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he's gonna help all of us and inspire us

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to get interested in our dreaming minds

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again because it's a really important

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part of our consciousness and I think

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overall our culture has gone a little

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too crazy we've kind of forgotten about

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it so we never bring this back and Tom

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Verner is the one to do it and he's here

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with us tonight he's the author of a

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tremendous book that we both read called

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the transformational power of dreaming

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there it is we love this book and he's

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the co-author with Stephen Larson but

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Tom is a spokesperson tonight we're

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gonna bring him on in a few minutes but

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first my goodness we've all survived

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hurricane mmm-hmm it's easy to survive

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when you're in Tucson I'm in

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Massachusetts right that's very true

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that's very true

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ask those that in the middle of it not

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so much not so much and we have a dear

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friend down there in Florida but he did

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make out okay he's all right yeah I just

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a bit of this you can fly that's right

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so anyways but our our hearts and minds

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and prayers still go to the people there

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that are still doing the cleanup still

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trying to find a way out of the mess

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that this created well had a mass prayer

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group that went on I said it to

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everybody I knew and it was hundreds of

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people that came together for prayers

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the day after this hit yes I'm so

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grateful to them for being

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so kind and stopping their day at noon

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us to do that because as we all know and

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two or more gathered anything is

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oh so being a part of a prayer group is

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a in a prayer chain is a great thing in

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today's crazy world where we have some

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nut over there in North Korea with his

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finger on the button and in all kinds of

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other things going on so tell us

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numerologically PK what's happening

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we're still in that shadow period every

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shadow period until the 15th and

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supposedly it disappears my god I pray

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so but the the month itself is for

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everyone if you hadn't heard it before

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but that's as an echo chamber it is a

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review of last year okay we're all tree

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reviewing the year but the thing that's

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so important today is it's a five-day

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which deals with change major change

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good to bad bad to good everything seems

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to be moving faster it's trying to ride

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the bicycle down the hill and you can't

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what the day is all about yeah if you'll

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pay attention later you'll see that

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there been more accidents today more

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people doing skits of crazy things

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to do it in a hurry got to do it the

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quick fix but then on the other half is

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a Kenny Rogers are I should the the

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gambler song the gambler that there's a

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luck factor that goes with today if

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you're lucky enough to have those odds

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in your chart me I keep looking at him I

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want to play him and I look at the

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numbers they look at me and they go but

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it is all about quick change and that's

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the part that's important let change

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move us from one spot into something

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that's better why not open up the arms

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wide and go for the good stuff yes we

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deserve it it's been a real roller

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coaster ride and the mercury retrograde

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keep this moving forward in a good way

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that's great PK thank you and we had

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paranormal news stories now first and

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foremost the one on our driveway here

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wanted it to be seen first and foremost

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by our listeners so please go to our

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Facebook you will see three photos that

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have no explanation you will see the

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first photo which is a big huge ball of

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light with streams of light coming from

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left-hand side that is standing there

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that's almost a mile long there are no

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lights on the driveway there are no

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lights in the entire town by the way if

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there are no streetlights at all so

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succession the other thing that's weird

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to know this camera is set up to take

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photos every three seconds yet these

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photos were taken almost simultaneously

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fraction of a second in between so this

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is highly unusual and we've had as you

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know and all our listeners know that

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have been had with us for years now we

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have had this happen before

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this is a portal on the right side of

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the driveway and things come through so

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this is the latest of what has come

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through to visit us we again don't know

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what it is it's we've asked people for

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their input we're asking you our

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audience to take a look let us know what

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you think it is see if you can tune in

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and figure out what in the world this is

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it's fascinating

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doesn't let you see through now Bob Luca

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who's a dear friend of ours and was on

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the show a few weeks ago they have a new

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book called lifting the veil he and his

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wife Betty Andres and Luca Bob took the

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photograph the first one and did a

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negative of it and one of the things

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that he said was this object is solid

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there's no question about it so it's not

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something on the lens of the camera it's

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whenever it's not there's something

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solid there and that's also on our

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Facebook page so take a look at that as

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well you will be our participant in this

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paranormal experiment we want to know

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what you think this is so this is a real

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what it is whatever comes out on the

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see so anyways we also have some other

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great stories that we posted today now

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we have that strange unfortunate it

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unfortunately resulted in the death of

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the pilot right there was an aircraft

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from area 51 that crashed but they are

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this crap so what does that tell you

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three days after is with it announced

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that he was had passed because of the

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crash we still don't know what kind of a

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plane it was it's just very unusual

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highly he's active isn't he active duty

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as well I do yes yes so that's very

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unusual and you know because you were we

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worked with the military so you know

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think that perhaps this is one of the

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back-engineered UFO types of craft and

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it is something that we all need to pay

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attention to now we don't need just

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closure from the government everybody we

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know they're here and we know we've been

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back-engineering these types of things

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and we're sad to hear that somebody lost

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their life and one of these tests

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flights but again there it is area 51

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that's what happened there now he can

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which looked like a like an odd like as

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a dish but it was definitely a cloud it

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it was very fluffy but it was it looked

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like a you have some conference yes so

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as we were looking at the pilot

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situation that we're looking at right

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below it it was talking about another

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UFO thing that took place five years ago

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was the same type of cloud the only

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difference is it's long it's narrow

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this one's elongated but outside of that

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the colors in it are the same in

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whatever so whatever's up there playing

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around they better start giving us some

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answers that's right we want a

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conversation so they're welcome you're

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welcome to your house in Tucson to my

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house here they can come and visit

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definitely we are happy to have these

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conversations with these

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extraterrestrials or interdimensional

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whatever they may be or a combination

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thereof but we know they're here it's

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it's well-documented so those are such

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just some of the stories that you're

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gonna see there's also there's many

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others there's a Viking woman who is

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found in a grave of warrior that's an

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interesting story as well so take a look

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everybody at our Facebook page give us a

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like follow us on facebook follow us on

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what we're doing and who's coming up on

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the show is you've got always great

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guests for you the best of the best

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we've got him right here on supernatural

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girls radio like tonight's it's like

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tonight we've got the best of the best

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once again we have with us the author of

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the transformational power of dreaming

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discovering the wishes of the soul is a

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very powerful book and the co-author

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him some credit as well but our guest

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tonight is Tom Verner and he is a

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practicing psychotherapist and also

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we're going to talk about later he has

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some very interesting things he does

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with children as a professional magician

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Burlington College for 35 years and he's

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him to the show Tom happy to have you

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here that's wonderful to be here thank

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you so much for inviting me and I'm

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looking forward to a great discussion

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about this world of dreams ah-ha I am

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and we have so much to ask you but let's

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start with how did you get involved with

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dreams what drew you to that subject

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well I lived in a monastery for seven

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years uh a Christian cloistered

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monastery was like living in the 13th

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century we chanted seven times a day in

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Latin and meditated and did all those

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kind of things but at some point I

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decided I needed to leave and do

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something else with my life and as I was

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leaving the master of the monastery had

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a book in his hand and he said I'm gonna

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give you a book and it was written by a

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man and this book is gonna help you get

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from this world of the monastery to the

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world where you're going because the

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author of this book had a foot in each

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world and he handed me memories dreams

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reflections the autobiography of Carl

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Jung and the first time I ever heard of

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Jung that was over 40 years ago and I'm

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sitting here in front of my bookcase and

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this is the very book Oh for him to say

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because that monk gave me and here it is

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it's a book I've read many many times

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and I say if you want to learn about

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Jung that's the best place to begin so

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in the index of the book I think it has

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I could look but I think it has four

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columns

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of dreams of Jung's recounted in the in

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the book so the book is very much about

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his dream life and it introduced me to

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the world of dreams and I haven't looked

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back since

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so dreamer pardon me are you a heavy

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dreamer I'm not I wouldn't consider

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myself a heavy dreamer right dream are I

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we probably have to clear this up maybe

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right off the bat because all the time

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people say to me I don't dream well it's

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just not possible not to dream I mean my

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my PhD advisor Stanley krypter who

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probably his work yes yes Stanley did

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some dream deprivation research where he

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would as soon as people would begin to

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go into a dream state they would wake

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them up in the dream laboratory and

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within three days the people if they had

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walked into an emergency room would have

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been diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic

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if you don't as Mick Jagger says in Ruby

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Tuesday if you lose your dreams you lose

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your mind and it's absolutely true we

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just don't remember them that's all for

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the most part so they're there but

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people just don't remember I found it

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again how do we learn to remember well

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that's kind of the very first thing that

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you need to pay some attention to and

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put some energy into and a couple of

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things I can say maybe this will come up

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again but you know put a notebook and a

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pen beside your bed and then before you

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go to sleep as you're falling asleep

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give yourself some pre sleep suggestion

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in the morning I will remember my dream

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and just say that three or four times as

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you're falling asleep and that kind of

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seeds the unconscious you know to help

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you in the morning

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and then the other important thing is

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when you wake up in the morning jot

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something down you don't have to jot the

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whole dream down but Johnson key images

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that will bring the dream back and it's

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the last thing you're gonna want to do

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at that hour of the morning is just to

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reach over and write down or it's gone

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that's one of the mysterious things

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about dreams is you can be in the middle

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of this amazingly intense experience you

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wake up I could never forget this and

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it's gone time yeah how does that happen

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how does it points the part of the

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mystery of dreams is that they can be

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forgotten so quickly it's like they

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somehow James Hillman my great teacher

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they seem to resist being dragged into

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the light of day somehow and we have to

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do it very gently and so anyhow that's a

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few thoughts about oh there are other

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ways you can drink a lot of water and

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you have to pee in the night and that'll

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wake you up that can make you up or you

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can take b6

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about a half hour before you go to bed

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and that seems to enhance dreaming

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there's lots of other things that we

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talked about we have an entire chapter

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in the book on remembering dreams the

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only dream I could honestly say I

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remember to any degree was about 10

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years ago and my husband had passed away

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at 37 years of age there was different

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questions that had never been answered I

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woke up I thought I felt the bed sit

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down

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favorite sweater leaning over kissing me

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on the cheek heard him tell me what I

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needed to do where the children were

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concerned and that was as vivid to me

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for three or four days I couldn't I

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couldn't lose it it was there that day

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and then after that it was called

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but that's the only time I've ever

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remembered anything that intensely how

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long ago was that I mean how long after

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he passed did you about about 35 37

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years you have the dream 37 years later

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yeah yeah I'm a slow learners there's

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usually people have those kinds of

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dreams a little sooner right Tom I mean

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maybe a little bit sooner after somebody

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passes away they certainly can my my mom

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passed a couple of years ago just two

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years ago at 98 years old I was doing

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Alice to have her around and my

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granddaughter we had dinner together

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every Sunday night almost the family and

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my granddaughter Sangeeta and my mom

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developed a very very intense

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relationship and she died and guida

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missed her very much and then about a

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month later she called me on the phone

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and she said I saw Grammy last night in

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a dream but it wasn't a dream

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Vibha she kept saying that over and over

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she said he wasn't a dream she came into

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my room it was very much like your

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husband standing there you know she came

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in you know she came into my room and

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woke me up Nita said and said I want to

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take you somewhere and she took my

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granddaughter by her hand and they went

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up into the sky and my brother who died

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before Sangeeta was born was very close

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to my daughter and she heard a lot about

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my brother from her mother and so my

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mother took her into a room and said I

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want you to meet a very special person

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and she looked and she said are you

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Uncle Jim

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and for heaven sakes she he said I've

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been looking out for you and keeping you

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safe and you're doing wonderfully don't

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you worry and then my mom started back

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down and she said oh there's one other

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person my mom was a very devout Catholic

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and she said I just almost offhandedly

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she said I want you to meet somebody and

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they went into another space and there

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was Jesus and Jesus said to Dida you're

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a wonderful little girl and your

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grandmother's were so happy to have her

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here with us and you'll be here someday

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with us also and then she took her down

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she said b-but this wasn't a dream she

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said again this wasn't a dream and and

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then Graeme took me back to my room and

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tucked me in and kissed me and said

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goodnight and went out my door and I got

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up out of my bed beep ah she said and I

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opened the door and look down the

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corridor to see if she was still there

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but she was gone and I went back and

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went to sleep so that there's the whole

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story of that in the book and other

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dreams about death and it seemed like

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death and the life but not a

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relationship

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no and and often it can go out that it

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can go on in in the dream world which is

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quite magical it again gives it gives us

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a reason to understand the importance of

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dreams I mean if you're not paying

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attention to your dreams this could be

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some of the wonderful experiences that

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you're missing and certainly a

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granddaughter had a spectacular

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experience with your grandmother but

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it's if you're not paying attention you

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know as an adult this is what you're

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going to miss yeah and and she that

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Christmas I gave a copy of that dream to

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all the grandchildren and

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great-grandchildren

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that there Graham is still alive and

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well and looking after them you know and

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it's really wonderful like her her life

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goes on that's beautiful wonder what a

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gift yes definitely I think something

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you said Patricia is that we it's one

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thing to remember the dream and then we

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have to do something with it it can be

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as little as my granddaughter telling me

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you know and then asking me or I asked

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her if I could write it down and she

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wrote it all down for me and then I

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copied it out in calligraphy and made a

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card for all everyone in the family but

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if we don't do something there's a

489
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wonderful story about Edgar Cayce who

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yeah use you know he would go into the -

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the sleeping prophet he would go into

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those sleeping trance States and people

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would write him all these letters and

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his secretary Gladys Davis would read

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these letters and he his source would

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answer their questions they might be

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physical diseases or financial problems

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or spiritual questions or whatever but

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Casey also had the wonderful gift of

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being able to have Gladys read his

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dreams to him while he was in that state

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and have them interpreted from that

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source that he contacted and so he he

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had given a Gladys a dream that he

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wanted to have read to him and then he

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came out of his trance and he said the

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Gladys he said what did they say about

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that dream he really wanted to know it

509
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was a very powerful dream and Gladys was

510
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very embarrassed she had great respect

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for Edgar Cayce and she said well what

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what the source said was I gave you some

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information about a dream about a week

514
00:25:20,540 --> 00:25:18,960
ago and you've done nothing about it and

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until you do

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there will be no further information so

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if we do have the gift of receiving a

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dream then we really need to do

519
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something with it because young once

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said the conscious and unconscious work

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as hard as each other works and it's a

522
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relationship so okay so then we have to

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do something with it and this is where I

524
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think dream groups become a really

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important adjunct to dream work having

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people to talk to you to talk about your

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dreams and to listen to them about their

528
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dreams

529
00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:05,640
it becomes very powerful dream dream

530
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:07,710
groups can be there's a there's a

531
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:11,070
wonderful book by a man named Montague

532
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:14,340
Ullman and he worked with Stan krypter

533
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on telepathic dreams and a woman named

534
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:19,980
Nan's immerman called working with your

535
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:23,310
dreams and it's it's the best book on

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00:26:29,090 --> 00:26:26,730
how regular folks you know not psycho

537
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:29,100
therapist or psychologist or dream

538
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:31,650
experts or anything can start a dream

539
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group and it's if you have somebody like

540
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:38,760
my wife is really also interested in her

541
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dreams and oh like for mornings a week

542
00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:44,580
we'll tell each other our dreams you

543
00:26:51,620 --> 00:26:47,190
know if we bring them back and one of us

544
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:51,630
does or the other both sometimes but one

545
00:26:57,820 --> 00:26:54,810
of the best exercises that Omen and

546
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:57,830
Zimmerman talk about in there is a

547
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:01,020
dreamer one of the things about dream

548
00:27:05,060 --> 00:27:03,240
groups that when I've been in dream

549
00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:05,070
groups and there was a professional

550
00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:07,710
there they usually worked on one dream

551
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:10,260
and the rest of the group kind of sat

552
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:13,170
there well omen and Zimmerman came up

553
00:27:18,770 --> 00:27:15,510
with this really marvelous exercise

554
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:18,780
where someone tells a dream and then

555
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:21,450
everyone in the group writes the dream

556
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:24,450
down and then they take about 20 minutes

557
00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:26,910
by themselves each person in the group

558
00:27:34,340 --> 00:27:31,950
and they say what would what if this was

559
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:34,350
my dream what would it mean

560
00:27:42,380 --> 00:27:38,490
to me and then the dreamer gets what

561
00:27:46,460 --> 00:27:42,390
omen and calls a reservoir of possible

562
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:46,470
meanings everybody reads back that what

563
00:27:51,380 --> 00:27:48,450
the dream would have meant to them and

564
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:51,390
the dreamer gets this gift of all these

565
00:27:58,460 --> 00:27:56,130
different and MMus happened actually my

566
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,470
wife and I do these week long dream

567
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:01,679
retreats and we did that exercise a

568
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:04,080
couple of times that week and someone

569
00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:07,049
told the dream and I took it on as if it

570
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:08,820
was my dream and I wrote it down I

571
00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:12,960
worked on it and got a lot from it for

572
00:28:19,820 --> 00:28:15,870
myself and as well as for the dreamer

573
00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:19,830
and about two weeks later I ran into

574
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:21,419
someone who had been at the dream

575
00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:23,730
retreat and I said how are you doing he

576
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:25,590
said I'm still thinking about the dream

577
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:28,110
retreat and I said I'm still thinking

578
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:29,730
about it too I'm thinking about that

579
00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:32,940
dream I had and I told them you know a

580
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,030
little bit of the dream and the person

581
00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:38,159
looked at me and said Tom that wasn't

582
00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:41,400
your dream I said what do you mean he

583
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:45,240
said that was Brenda's dream what do you

584
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:49,110
mean so taking that on as my own and

585
00:28:54,770 --> 00:28:51,900
that continued to work with it that I

586
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:54,780
actually began to believe it was my own

587
00:29:01,279 --> 00:28:58,559
dream so anyhow dream groups Patricia

588
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:01,289
are a great way to work on on your

589
00:29:07,220 --> 00:29:04,500
dreams and we have a bunch of exercises

590
00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:07,230
in the book about how dream groups can

591
00:29:12,020 --> 00:29:10,020
work on on each other's dreams yeah this

592
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:12,030
is this is I think much needed

593
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:14,220
especially today it helps people come

594
00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:17,010
together helps us really go inside and

595
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:19,020
see what are the truths we can determine

596
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,880
now we're gonna take a short break in a

597
00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:23,039
minute and we'll be we'll be back but

598
00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:25,470
before we go I wanted to tell everybody

599
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:28,440
you can watch us live tonight at this

600
00:29:34,220 --> 00:29:29,010
link

601
00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:34,230
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602
00:29:45,890 --> 00:29:43,980
is ir n dot b z /pha spook live and take

603
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:45,900
a look at our facebook page again

604
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:47,730
supernatural girls they got some crazy

605
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:48,240
stuff

606
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:49,770
there for you to look at we want to know

607
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:52,710
what you think of it so everybody we are

608
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,290
speaking tonight with Tom Verner he is a

609
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:58,080
dream expert and we've got a lot to talk

610
00:30:02,810 --> 00:30:00,360
about tonight and hopefully give you the

611
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:02,820
insight you may be looking for so stay

612
00:30:07,549 --> 00:30:05,090
tuned everybody we'll be right back

613
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:07,559
welcome back everyone to Supernatural

614
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:08,520
girls radio

615
00:30:14,660 --> 00:30:10,770
I'm your host Patricia Baker here with

616
00:30:17,540 --> 00:30:14,670
my co-host pk and our illustrious guest

617
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:17,550
Tom Werner expert in dreaming and author

618
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:20,520
of the transformational power of

619
00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:24,240
dreaming discovering which is one so

620
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:26,340
that's what we need to do is discover

621
00:30:30,980 --> 00:30:28,020
the wishes of the soul we've got a

622
00:30:33,500 --> 00:30:30,990
couple of questions for you Tom from our

623
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:33,510
chat room this one is from a CEO who

624
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:37,110
says hello I had a dream that my friend

625
00:30:47,450 --> 00:30:41,340
who had recently become my enemy is dead

626
00:30:54,350 --> 00:30:47,460
what does that mean Oh bye-bye dougie

627
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:54,360
yeah had a dream about her friend who

628
00:31:00,740 --> 00:30:57,059
was now on the outs with in some way

629
00:31:04,570 --> 00:31:00,750
that had become her enemy yeah became an

630
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:04,580
enemy and now that enemy in the dream

631
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:09,330
died what does that mean well I have to

632
00:31:13,549 --> 00:31:11,880
I have to preface I'm sure there were

633
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:13,559
gonna be other dreams I just have to

634
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:18,330
preface this with young once said to

635
00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:22,080
Freud he said the difference between you

636
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:27,150
and me is you interpret dreams and I

637
00:31:33,530 --> 00:31:30,840
interpret dreamers he said you don't

638
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:33,540
need the dreamer there because you know

639
00:31:38,750 --> 00:31:36,330
what the dream means already because you

640
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:38,760
have a theory and you reduce the dream

641
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:42,330
to your theory he said but I need to ask

642
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:46,410
the dreamer about the symbols in the

643
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:48,690
dream because only the dreamer knows

644
00:31:56,180 --> 00:31:53,640
what the dream means he said say there

645
00:31:59,060 --> 00:31:56,190
was a pencil in the dream well Freud

646
00:32:01,580 --> 00:31:59,070
knew what that meant it was some phallic

647
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:01,590
symbol of sexuality or power or

648
00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:04,169
something but young said to him wonder

649
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:07,830
if the dreamer was a writer wonder if

650
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:10,799
the dreamer was illiterate wonder if the

651
00:32:15,260 --> 00:32:13,529
dreamer had had his eye poked out by his

652
00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:15,270
older brother when they were 10 years

653
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:18,659
old with a pencil there are three very

654
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:21,150
different pencils young said and I

655
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:23,010
wouldn't know that and once I had the

656
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:31,710
dreamer so that being said I would ask

657
00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:36,210
the dreamer why is this person showing

658
00:32:45,139 --> 00:32:40,740
up right now I'd want to know how long

659
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:45,149
the dreamer has been enemies with this

660
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:48,570
person this who sounded like they might

661
00:32:54,019 --> 00:32:50,340
have been an important person in their

662
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:54,029
life and now they're an enemy and I know

663
00:33:03,080 --> 00:32:57,090
how hard that has been in my life when a

664
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:03,090
good friend has become an enemy and it

665
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:08,340
feels like a very it's almost as if the

666
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,710
person would like them completely out of

667
00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:12,720
their life so they don't have to think

668
00:33:16,779 --> 00:33:14,700
about them they don't have to deal with

669
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:16,789
them they don't have to deal with that

670
00:33:23,659 --> 00:33:20,640
maybe hurt or pain or missing or longing

671
00:33:26,810 --> 00:33:23,669
or whatever I don't know I'd love to

672
00:33:30,380 --> 00:33:26,820
talk with that dreamer about it what I

673
00:33:33,889 --> 00:33:30,390
would do if I was that dreamer I can

674
00:33:38,029 --> 00:33:33,899
give them some I would sit down I would

675
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:38,039
quiet myself I would put myself in my

676
00:33:44,919 --> 00:33:41,850
imagination in a place where that person

677
00:33:49,010 --> 00:33:44,929
and I used to really like to go together

678
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:49,020
that friend now an enemy and close their

679
00:33:54,769 --> 00:33:51,510
eyes imagine that person across from

680
00:33:57,889 --> 00:33:54,779
them have a piece of paper there on

681
00:34:00,320 --> 00:33:57,899
their desk as she's imagining this

682
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,330
person there and have a conversation

683
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:03,360
with that person like why are you

684
00:34:10,339 --> 00:34:06,960
showing up in my dream and why are you

685
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:10,349
you know and and just see what it can be

686
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,049
amazing how that person can say things

687
00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:19,200
if you can open yourself up to being

688
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:23,190
surprised things they will say that

689
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:26,760
you're shocked by and it might heal the

690
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:30,210
relationship you know I don't know I

691
00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:32,609
somehow it feels to me and this might be

692
00:34:41,899 --> 00:34:35,369
wishful thinking or something it feels

693
00:34:47,379 --> 00:34:41,909
like the relationship is looking to be

694
00:34:50,419 --> 00:34:47,389
healed in some way and I know that a my

695
00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:50,429
intuition about the dream ya know it

696
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,980
seems to be saying the hell with you I

697
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:54,240
wish you were dead

698
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:56,250
I'm not sure that's what the dream is

699
00:35:00,920 --> 00:34:57,420
saying at all

700
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:00,930
yes and I can't justify that rationally

701
00:35:07,849 --> 00:35:05,089
but just having heard so many dreams

702
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:07,859
that's what it feels like if that makes

703
00:35:12,259 --> 00:35:09,930
that's all I can say right now that

704
00:35:14,509 --> 00:35:12,269
makes sense yes thank you for that

705
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:14,519
now here's another question this is from

706
00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:16,740
starlight who would like to know what do

707
00:35:27,740 --> 00:35:22,500
constant dreams of beaches mean beaches

708
00:35:32,509 --> 00:35:27,750
Wow the first thing that comes to my

709
00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:32,519
mind and and its really interesting I'm

710
00:35:37,339 --> 00:35:34,680
not really pitching the book every time

711
00:35:42,499 --> 00:35:37,349
I say this but there's a lot in the book

712
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:42,509
about the in-between places the places

713
00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:45,930
between waking and sleeping the between

714
00:35:51,620 --> 00:35:48,359
darkness and light between dreaming and

715
00:35:58,279 --> 00:35:51,630
waking on all that and beaches are very

716
00:36:01,160 --> 00:35:58,289
much places between ah okay between the

717
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:01,170
great source of life the the great

718
00:36:07,940 --> 00:36:04,500
mother herself the ocean and the land

719
00:36:11,269 --> 00:36:07,950
and to be in that place between is a

720
00:36:15,170 --> 00:36:11,279
very very powerful place like on the

721
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:15,180
equinoxes or the solstices those places

722
00:36:25,279 --> 00:36:19,440
between seasons dawn and the dusk those

723
00:36:27,849 --> 00:36:25,289
power times are all times between and I

724
00:36:31,029 --> 00:36:27,859
can't say what

725
00:36:34,299 --> 00:36:31,039
that particular beach means but I would

726
00:36:36,970 --> 00:36:34,309
ask her to place herself there in her

727
00:36:40,479 --> 00:36:36,980
imagination go back into the dream and

728
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:40,489
imagine she's in that place and what

729
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:43,130
does that begin to bring up in her you

730
00:36:51,220 --> 00:36:47,410
know that's hard fast you know and also

731
00:36:54,009 --> 00:36:51,230
young as I said was very hesitant to say

732
00:36:59,019 --> 00:36:54,019
this means that or that means this or

733
00:37:01,930 --> 00:36:59,029
you know but the the ocean he really

734
00:37:05,499 --> 00:37:01,940
felt was the unconscious in many ways

735
00:37:09,609 --> 00:37:05,509
was the great source of images and

736
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:09,619
guidance so it may have something to do

737
00:37:17,739 --> 00:37:14,720
with that I'm not sure yes so I can see

738
00:37:19,569 --> 00:37:17,749
why are you such a great psychotherapist

739
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:19,579
and I can see why you're such a great

740
00:37:27,849 --> 00:37:21,170
dream analyst you hit it right on the

741
00:37:30,819 --> 00:37:27,859
head star seed uh-huh this is from star

742
00:37:34,109 --> 00:37:30,829
seed who's saying do you recommend using

743
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:34,119
waking and lucid dreaming to address

744
00:37:44,319 --> 00:37:41,089
recurring dreams I wonder why she's

745
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:44,329
wondering that Lucent uh you me okay

746
00:37:53,470 --> 00:37:51,170
okay um yeah I think so I think that if

747
00:37:58,599 --> 00:37:53,480
she could if she's having a recurring

748
00:38:04,120 --> 00:37:58,609
dream and she can become lucid in it she

749
00:38:08,380 --> 00:38:04,130
oftentimes a recurring dream is about

750
00:38:11,650 --> 00:38:08,390
something like Edgar Cayce if you don't

751
00:38:13,569 --> 00:38:11,660
deal with the issue that the dream is

752
00:38:19,269 --> 00:38:13,579
presenting to you it's going to keep

753
00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:19,279
showing up and there's I'd love to tell

754
00:38:26,019 --> 00:38:23,150
a recurring dream that is in the book a

755
00:38:28,930 --> 00:38:26,029
patient of mine yes please go ahead um

756
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:28,940
and this might help star seed star seed

757
00:38:40,359 --> 00:38:35,119
was it nurse yes this woman a young

758
00:38:41,290 --> 00:38:40,369
woman she was in high school she lived

759
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:41,300
in a ver

760
00:38:46,990 --> 00:38:43,910
rigid it happened to be a Catholic

761
00:38:49,450 --> 00:38:47,000
family and she just couldn't wait to get

762
00:38:54,340 --> 00:38:49,460
out of the house and she ended up

763
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:54,350
meeting a guy and she very quickly they

764
00:39:00,280 --> 00:38:57,290
moved in together and very soon after

765
00:39:03,550 --> 00:39:00,290
that she got pregnant and it scared the

766
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:03,560
hell out of the guy and he took off and

767
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:09,440
so now now she had she had a baby and

768
00:39:15,340 --> 00:39:11,510
she had to come back home to her parents

769
00:39:17,530 --> 00:39:15,350
crawling back home and she was she

770
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:17,540
started having a recurring dream she was

771
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:20,510
in the bedroom and her little bassinet

772
00:39:26,410 --> 00:39:22,970
with her baby was in the bedroom with

773
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:26,420
her and the door would open she's these

774
00:39:31,470 --> 00:39:28,250
are particularly terrifying dreams

775
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:31,480
because you're dreaming you're in bed

776
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:34,370
sleeping you're dreaming where you are

777
00:39:43,210 --> 00:39:37,310
so it feels real

778
00:39:46,270 --> 00:39:43,220
so she wakes up in her dream she's awake

779
00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:46,280
and this door opens and there's some a

780
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,190
dark figure coming over and he has a

781
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:51,440
knife in his hand and she wakes up

782
00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:56,000
screaming she brought that into into

783
00:40:02,140 --> 00:39:58,370
therapy and we worked on it she went

784
00:40:04,780 --> 00:40:02,150
back into the dream and I just asked her

785
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:04,790
she had had it two or three times and I

786
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:09,890
asked her can she when that figure gets

787
00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:13,010
close can she say what do you want from

788
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:17,750
me confront the figure like that what do

789
00:40:22,330 --> 00:40:18,710
you want from me

790
00:40:28,090 --> 00:40:22,340
and take that fear and have the courage

791
00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:28,100
to like because for me every part of the

792
00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:35,270
dream is a part of myself and so the the

793
00:40:41,260 --> 00:40:37,820
seneye the indigenous people in malaysia

794
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:41,270
who have a great dream culture say where

795
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:45,440
the fear is that's where the power is so

796
00:40:52,570 --> 00:40:48,880
if I'm if you can confront that fear

797
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:52,580
that's power that you're not owning in

798
00:40:57,559 --> 00:40:54,599
some way so the dream

799
00:41:02,509 --> 00:40:57,569
kept the figure kept getting closer and

800
00:41:04,130 --> 00:41:02,519
closer and one night she car one session

801
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:04,140
she came in she said something very

802
00:41:07,789 --> 00:41:05,249
strange happened

803
00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:07,799
she said the the figure is wearing my

804
00:41:14,499 --> 00:41:11,640
coat now so it's making it pretty clear

805
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:14,509
to her that this is part of herself so

806
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:17,609
gradually what ended up happening which

807
00:41:26,569 --> 00:41:20,249
he realized the figure was not coming to

808
00:41:28,789 --> 00:41:26,579
kill her but to kill her baby and Wow

809
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:28,799
then we started because it would go over

810
00:41:33,289 --> 00:41:31,440
toward the bassinet and then she'd say

811
00:41:35,989 --> 00:41:33,299
what do you want from me and it would

812
00:41:39,140 --> 00:41:35,999
turn and come one but she never told me

813
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:39,150
that piece of the dream you know cuz she

814
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:41,609
couldn't really say it out loud that

815
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:44,400
this person was really a part of herself

816
00:41:53,269 --> 00:41:49,710
that resented this baby the baby now got

817
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:53,279
her crawling back home taking all this

818
00:42:02,779 --> 00:41:57,180
kind of stuff from her parents now and

819
00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:02,789
so eventually the person came right next

820
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:05,430
to the bed in the dream raised this

821
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:08,729
knife and she said what do you want from

822
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:12,210
me and the knife came down and just as

823
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:15,900
it crossed the face of this intruder it

824
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:21,359
burst into a torch and it illuminated -

825
00:42:28,969 --> 00:42:24,089
the most beautiful version of herself

826
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:28,979
that she had ever seen and she never had

827
00:42:33,289 --> 00:42:29,849
the dream again

828
00:42:35,420 --> 00:42:33,299
you know once he acknowledged that there

829
00:42:38,029 --> 00:42:35,430
was some part of her that wanted to kill

830
00:42:41,479 --> 00:42:38,039
her baby she didn't have to kill it

831
00:42:44,660 --> 00:42:41,489
anymore and this dark terrible part of

832
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:44,670
herself became this powerful beautiful

833
00:42:54,349 --> 00:42:50,329
part of herself so I just think that if

834
00:42:58,249 --> 00:42:54,359
that was a kind of lucidity you know yes

835
00:43:01,099 --> 00:42:58,259
yes so I think star seed is on the right

836
00:43:04,279 --> 00:43:01,109
track by saying you know maybe if I can

837
00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:04,289
become lucid in the dream you know

838
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:08,040
transform whatever darkness is in the

839
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:10,710
maybe it's often recurring dreams can be

840
00:43:15,740 --> 00:43:13,110
difficult dreams and may she didn't say

841
00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:15,750
what kind of dream it was but I kind of

842
00:43:22,580 --> 00:43:18,630
assumed it probably is I don't know yeah

843
00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:22,590
oftentimes they are difficult and and

844
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:26,310
and difficult to fathom difficult to you

845
00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:27,900
know people sometimes don't like to go

846
00:43:32,570 --> 00:43:29,790
to sleep in case they have that dream

847
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:32,580
again but again is it as a dream

848
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:34,440
therapist and a psychotherapist you

849
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:37,050
teach people how to confront the fear in

850
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:39,960
the dream how to become lucid how to use

851
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,420
the fear to your advantage and I know

852
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:43,920
there's a lot of techniques and you have

853
00:43:48,740 --> 00:43:46,530
a bunch of them in the book about how

854
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:48,750
how to make all of this happen I mean we

855
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:51,180
can have dream buddies so we call on

856
00:43:57,590 --> 00:43:54,720
right so that we ask them like if I ask

857
00:44:01,220 --> 00:43:57,600
PK to be my dream buddy and things get

858
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:01,230
hairy in my dream and I call on PK she's

859
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:03,000
going to show up because I've asked her

860
00:44:07,730 --> 00:44:05,310
in the conscious world to be my dream

861
00:44:10,610 --> 00:44:07,740
buddy and so then I've got somebody by

862
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:10,620
my side and as I'm confronting this

863
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:13,280
whatever it is the monster that is

864
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:16,560
stalking me she's right there with me so

865
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:19,290
it's it's really important and I see

866
00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:21,570
dreams and the way you talk about them

867
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:23,160
in the book as a way of bringing people

868
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:26,310
together again as a way of teaching

869
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:27,930
people self empowerment through

870
00:44:32,030 --> 00:44:29,940
connection connection to the south

871
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:32,040
connection to the people around us and

872
00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:34,140
again you've got these great techniques

873
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:37,830
in here in this book to help you to feel

874
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:40,110
safe when you encounter things in your

875
00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:43,170
dream that are scary but also how to

876
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:44,700
deal with them how to take the power

877
00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:47,610
back from them the Senoia tribe now you

878
00:44:52,580 --> 00:44:49,190
say it a little differently than I do

879
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:52,590
they they teach the children how to do

880
00:44:59,600 --> 00:44:56,490
this right they do absolutely if yeah I

881
00:45:03,350 --> 00:44:59,610
mean what you said was you know having

882
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:03,360
PK come into your dream as an ally

883
00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:07,110
that's something say a sin oh a child

884
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:11,280
has a as a nightmare like they're they

885
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:14,880
fell off a cliff and they're falling in

886
00:45:21,370 --> 00:45:18,420
the in the morning or even in the night

887
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:21,380
if the child woke up they would come

888
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,450
the child let them go back to sleep in

889
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:25,280
the morning they would say to the child

890
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:29,150
you are not falling you were beginning

891
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:33,200
to fly but you forgot you were in the

892
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:36,170
dream universe where you can fly so

893
00:45:43,060 --> 00:45:40,910
tonight go over to that cliff in your

894
00:45:45,220 --> 00:45:43,070
dream and the parent will sit on the bed

895
00:45:48,340 --> 00:45:45,230
as the child is falling asleep and

896
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:48,350
instead of saying oh it was just a dream

897
00:45:53,350 --> 00:45:49,250
forget it

898
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:53,360
they'll say in the dream tonight go over

899
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:55,370
to that cliff behind uncle Charlie's

900
00:46:01,210 --> 00:45:58,610
house and stand there and leap off the

901
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:01,220
cliff because you are not only about to

902
00:46:06,610 --> 00:46:01,910
fly

903
00:46:10,410 --> 00:46:06,620
beautiful place where you were going to

904
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:10,420
receive a gift that would be very

905
00:46:17,260 --> 00:46:14,330
important for you and if you get scared

906
00:46:19,780 --> 00:46:17,270
at the edge of the cliff have PK come

907
00:46:23,170 --> 00:46:19,790
over and stand beside you or have your

908
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:23,180
buddy or your or have us come over and

909
00:46:28,810 --> 00:46:25,730
stand beside you and encourage you and

910
00:46:33,550 --> 00:46:28,820
support you and then the child goes and

911
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:33,560
the next morning tells what gift they

912
00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:36,890
received and then they'll spend the next

913
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:41,030
days creating that gift or finding

914
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:43,850
someone and maybe it was a blowpipe for

915
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:46,880
hunting and they would go and with

916
00:46:50,410 --> 00:46:48,890
someone who's an expert on that kind of

917
00:46:53,830 --> 00:46:50,420
thing and they would find and make a

918
00:46:56,350 --> 00:46:53,840
blowpipe and then once a month the son

919
00:46:58,930 --> 00:46:56,360
who I have these show-and-tell where

920
00:47:03,040 --> 00:46:58,940
recipes they found in dreams clothes

921
00:47:05,710 --> 00:47:03,050
songs dances gifts and they'll get

922
00:47:08,350 --> 00:47:05,720
together and have a big dream party and

923
00:47:11,890 --> 00:47:08,360
bring the food that they learned about

924
00:47:14,590 --> 00:47:11,900
integer someone just told me cooked a

925
00:47:17,260 --> 00:47:14,600
meal for me and they told me that it was

926
00:47:23,050 --> 00:47:17,270
a meal that they first tasted in the

927
00:47:28,330 --> 00:47:23,060
dream that happened about him so anyone

928
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:28,340
is powerful very powerful now again

929
00:47:33,070 --> 00:47:30,170
there there is a tremendous amount of

930
00:47:35,289 --> 00:47:33,080
power in in the dream world there are

931
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,299
also there's

932
00:47:38,919 --> 00:47:36,880
there's a difference though between

933
00:47:41,099 --> 00:47:38,929
something that we were just talking

934
00:47:44,589 --> 00:47:41,109
about and that's having a nightmare okay

935
00:47:47,429 --> 00:47:44,599
and having a night terror yeah what's

936
00:47:51,099 --> 00:47:47,439
the difference between those two things

937
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:51,109
well I'm not I'm not um actually my

938
00:47:56,169 --> 00:47:53,599
co-author Stephen who's really a

939
00:47:58,389 --> 00:47:56,179
neurophysiologist knows a lot more about

940
00:48:04,949 --> 00:47:58,399
night terrors than I do but I can answer

941
00:48:09,759 --> 00:48:04,959
that question at least partially a

942
00:48:13,149 --> 00:48:09,769
nightmare happens in the dream state it

943
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:13,159
happens during REM sleep night terrors

944
00:48:21,370 --> 00:48:16,880
do not happen during dreams okay in

945
00:48:24,279 --> 00:48:21,380
Italy it happens in non-rem in the

946
00:48:27,479 --> 00:48:24,289
alright in the nightmare it has content

947
00:48:30,669 --> 00:48:27,489
I'm afraid of something

948
00:48:32,889 --> 00:48:30,679
hmm could be a spider could be somebody

949
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:32,899
chasing me or whatever it is there's

950
00:48:40,929 --> 00:48:37,130
content and if you wake someone up from

951
00:48:43,539 --> 00:48:40,939
and in a nightmare there may be some

952
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:43,549
moaning you might make some noises there

953
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:45,729
might be a little bit of movement but

954
00:48:52,359 --> 00:48:49,130
very very little and if you come back

955
00:48:56,279 --> 00:48:52,369
from the nightmare you often have the

956
00:49:00,339 --> 00:48:56,289
content people in having night terrors

957
00:49:05,409 --> 00:49:00,349
it's very very physiological there's

958
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:05,419
often no content it's often difficult to

959
00:49:10,809 --> 00:49:07,609
rouse the person sometimes it can take

960
00:49:13,929 --> 00:49:10,819
as long as 20 minutes to get some and

961
00:49:16,029 --> 00:49:13,939
that's terrifying for a parent you know

962
00:49:19,449 --> 00:49:16,039
to have a child who's in this crazy

963
00:49:21,669 --> 00:49:19,459
state of screaming moving around who's

964
00:49:25,329 --> 00:49:21,679
walking around their room who's yelling

965
00:49:28,989 --> 00:49:25,339
who's soaking soaking wet with sweat

966
00:49:32,649 --> 00:49:28,999
often times and they come back and

967
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:32,659
there's often total amnesia about the

968
00:49:37,779 --> 00:49:35,359
experience they don't have a they don't

969
00:49:42,209 --> 00:49:37,789
have content so another way to think

970
00:49:46,479 --> 00:49:42,219
about it is a nightmare is like fear

971
00:49:48,940 --> 00:49:46,489
where there's an object night terror is

972
00:49:52,210 --> 00:49:48,950
like anxiety with you

973
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:52,220
object 'less fear psychologist college

974
00:49:57,940 --> 00:49:55,609
it's fear without any object that's what

975
00:50:00,010 --> 00:49:57,950
makes it so swen you're afraid you're

976
00:50:02,290 --> 00:50:00,020
afraid of a spider afraid of the dark

977
00:50:05,819 --> 00:50:02,300
afraid of heights are afraid of a person

978
00:50:09,099 --> 00:50:05,829
with anxiety you're just filled with

979
00:50:11,770 --> 00:50:09,109
object this fear dread but you don't

980
00:50:15,220 --> 00:50:11,780
know why you don't have some you can't

981
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:15,230
step on the spider yeah you know that's

982
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:17,839
what makes night terror so terrifying is

983
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:21,670
that there's nothing there no it seems

984
00:50:28,450 --> 00:50:25,280
that you're yes it's just just this

985
00:50:31,089 --> 00:50:28,460
overwhelming terrifying anxiety does

986
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:31,099
that make any sense yes it makes a lot

987
00:50:41,170 --> 00:50:36,650
yes this a message a dream a nightmare

988
00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:41,180
and I think if a child has I mean the

989
00:50:48,430 --> 00:50:43,400
good news is night terrors tend to go

990
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:48,440
away now as a child grows you know but

991
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:51,410
there can be physiological reasons for

992
00:50:57,730 --> 00:50:55,130
them and you should always tell your

993
00:51:00,359 --> 00:50:57,740
pediatrician or your doctor about your

994
00:51:02,430 --> 00:51:00,369
child having night terrors and

995
00:51:04,839 --> 00:51:02,440
pediatricians who know about a

996
00:51:07,980 --> 00:51:04,849
conjectures and things that may be

997
00:51:11,050 --> 00:51:07,990
causing the night there that is not

998
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:11,060
psychological but physiological it's

999
00:51:16,450 --> 00:51:13,490
very important information and thank you

1000
00:51:18,490 --> 00:51:16,460
so much for giving that to us tonight

1001
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:18,500
and especially for parents they need to

1002
00:51:23,020 --> 00:51:20,089
know the difference between those two

1003
00:51:24,819 --> 00:51:23,030
things so that is very important and

1004
00:51:26,650 --> 00:51:24,829
they should be confiding with the

1005
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:26,660
pediatrician if that's happening if

1006
00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:27,890
they're having their child is having

1007
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,630
night terrors this is more of a child

1008
00:51:34,059 --> 00:51:31,760
thing right night terrors not not an

1009
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:34,069
adult thing it tends to be with children

1010
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,490
but adults adults and again we had a

1011
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:39,680
woman we had a woman at our dream

1012
00:51:46,690 --> 00:51:42,170
retreat who we didn't know before she

1013
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:46,700
came was you know subject night terrors

1014
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:50,720
and it was it was really scary no see an

1015
00:51:59,620 --> 00:51:51,520
adult

1016
00:52:02,350 --> 00:51:59,630
no but this see a grown woman screaming

1017
00:52:05,380 --> 00:52:02,360
and sweating and terrified and try

1018
00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:05,390
to wake her it was it was scary but

1019
00:52:13,150 --> 00:52:09,190
you're right it tends to be in children

1020
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:13,160
and there is very interesting okay I

1021
00:52:17,310 --> 00:52:15,110
mean there are more there's more to be

1022
00:52:20,170 --> 00:52:17,320
said some psychologists think it's

1023
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:20,180
children dealing with anxiety of

1024
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:22,730
developmental stages and changes in

1025
00:52:30,510 --> 00:52:27,040
their life and different things but

1026
00:52:33,610 --> 00:52:30,520
pediatricians usually know about this so

1027
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:33,620
yes I think it's important as you

1028
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:36,650
mentioned to have that dialog if they

1029
00:52:39,550 --> 00:52:37,970
have children that are going through

1030
00:52:41,860 --> 00:52:39,560
something like that

1031
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:41,870
but I love the way you described it I

1032
00:52:46,690 --> 00:52:44,720
think it's very clear to understand easy

1033
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,700
to understand the way you just described

1034
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:48,800
it for us in our audience right so we're

1035
00:52:54,490 --> 00:52:51,110
going to take another very short break

1036
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,500
and if you have a question for Tom then

1037
00:53:01,050 --> 00:52:56,240
you can write it in the chat room and

1038
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:01,060
that is irn chat com that's I are in

1039
00:53:08,050 --> 00:53:05,930
chat comm and also take a look again at

1040
00:53:10,750 --> 00:53:08,060
our Facebook page give us a like and

1041
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:10,760
follow tell us what you think of those

1042
00:53:15,850 --> 00:53:14,210
balls of light maybe you can program a

1043
00:53:18,730 --> 00:53:15,860
dream about it and ask where you're

1044
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:18,740
dreaming mine to tell you what are these

1045
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:20,930
things and we want to hear about it we

1046
00:53:25,930 --> 00:53:23,930
want to hear what dreams you have about

1047
00:53:28,780 --> 00:53:25,940
these balls of light maybe you've got

1048
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:28,790
the answer or you're dreaming mind the

1049
00:53:35,020 --> 00:53:31,850
answer for us so we would love to hear

1050
00:53:37,210 --> 00:53:35,030
about all of that from you guys so make

1051
00:53:40,030 --> 00:53:37,220
sure you take a look at those on our

1052
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:40,040
Facebook page and then write us and tell

1053
00:53:45,460 --> 00:53:43,760
us what you think is going on so anyway

1054
00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:45,470
stay tuned everybody we are speaking

1055
00:53:49,590 --> 00:53:47,140
with Tom Verner tonight on the

1056
00:53:52,990 --> 00:53:49,600
transformational power of dreaming

1057
00:53:55,540 --> 00:53:53,000
discovering the wishes of the soul don't

1058
00:53:57,850 --> 00:53:55,550
we all want to know that we're listening

1059
00:53:58,660 --> 00:53:57,860
to Supernatural girls radio we'll be

1060
00:54:01,150 --> 00:53:58,670
right back

1061
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:01,160
welcome back everyone to Supernatural

1062
00:54:06,730 --> 00:54:03,530
girls radio I'm your host Patricia Baker

1063
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:06,740
here with my co-host pk and our guest

1064
00:54:13,090 --> 00:54:10,330
tonight Tom Werner he is helping us to

1065
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:13,100
understand the landscape of dreams now

1066
00:54:19,310 --> 00:54:16,260
we're gonna talk about dream incubation

1067
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:19,320
how can you get an answer to your

1068
00:54:22,820 --> 00:54:20,250
questions

1069
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:22,830
how can you program a dream Tom help us

1070
00:54:29,150 --> 00:54:25,410
out with this okay

1071
00:54:32,020 --> 00:54:29,160
so dream incubation is a term that's

1072
00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:32,030
used for a practice that has been

1073
00:54:38,810 --> 00:54:35,400
practiced by human beings for literally

1074
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,820
thousands of years China India the

1075
00:54:44,050 --> 00:54:41,040
Middle East it was raised to an

1076
00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:44,060
amazingly high level in ancient Greece

1077
00:54:53,330 --> 00:54:49,740
the Iroquois had numerous Native

1078
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:53,340
American tribes used incue bation and so

1079
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,000
what it is is actually turning regarding

1080
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:02,880
your dream your this source inside of

1081
00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:06,480
you as a source of guidance and that you

1082
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:09,750
don't have to just be passive about it

1083
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:12,330
but that you could prepare yourself say

1084
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:14,610
you have a question a concern it might

1085
00:55:20,690 --> 00:55:17,160
be physical psychological spiritual

1086
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:20,700
whatever it is that before you go to

1087
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:25,110
sleep you formulate a question and you

1088
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:28,830
ask your dream for a response to that

1089
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:31,890
question and you have what James Hillman

1090
00:55:39,020 --> 00:55:35,730
called psychological faith faith in the

1091
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,030
psyche that she will give you a response

1092
00:55:46,100 --> 00:55:41,760
to your question and no matter how

1093
00:55:48,830 --> 00:55:46,110
strange the response might be assume

1094
00:55:51,350 --> 00:55:48,840
that it's a response to your question

1095
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:51,360
and you may not remember a dream the

1096
00:55:58,460 --> 00:55:53,370
next morning try it again the next night

1097
00:56:02,530 --> 00:55:58,470
they in in ancient Greece around 500 BC

1098
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:02,540
there were 300 temples around Greece

1099
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:07,200
where people would go and sleep and ask

1100
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:09,420
for a special dream from the god of

1101
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:12,510
healing escalade pious but before they

1102
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:15,210
went into the temple to sleep they would

1103
00:56:21,230 --> 00:56:17,520
talk to the temple attendant whose name

1104
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:21,240
was therapy tous where we get the word

1105
00:56:27,830 --> 00:56:25,410
therapists from and they would talk to

1106
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,840
the therapy dose about their question

1107
00:56:32,810 --> 00:56:30,240
the therapy dose would help

1108
00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:32,820
clarify their question and then they

1109
00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:35,550
would go into the temple and ask for a

1110
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:40,200
dream and it's a it's something we do we

1111
00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:43,260
have a little house it's only ten by ten

1112
00:56:50,780 --> 00:56:47,070
on our property that's only for dreaming

1113
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:50,790
it's only it's only a dream incubation

1114
00:56:57,260 --> 00:56:53,970
house and people will come and sleep in

1115
00:56:58,900 --> 00:56:57,270
there during our retreats we prepare

1116
00:57:02,120 --> 00:56:58,910
someone they spend the whole day

1117
00:57:04,490 --> 00:57:02,130
clarifying in the dream house clarifying

1118
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:04,500
their question I'll go and talk with

1119
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:06,720
them they'll do solitary walks

1120
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:09,599
clarifying and then the group works with

1121
00:57:16,820 --> 00:57:14,010
them at night and then in a torch lit

1122
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:16,830
procession we take them to the dream

1123
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:19,530
house and someone goes in with them who

1124
00:57:27,050 --> 00:57:22,650
tucks them in and they ask for a dream

1125
00:57:29,900 --> 00:57:27,060
and it's been astonishing when you when

1126
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:29,910
you give the dream that kind of regard

1127
00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:32,130
and that kind of reverence and that kind

1128
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:36,270
of respect what it gives you so that's

1129
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:39,599
roughly what dream incubation I had a

1130
00:57:45,530 --> 00:57:42,690
thought that maybe your listeners could

1131
00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:45,540
go to the is that on the Facebook page

1132
00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:49,710
and look at yes look at those balls of

1133
00:57:56,300 --> 00:57:54,300
light mine spent some time like looking

1134
00:57:58,670 --> 00:57:56,310
at them being in their presence the

1135
00:58:02,180 --> 00:57:58,680
photograph or the picture whatever it is

1136
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:02,190
and then when you go to sleep tonight or

1137
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:06,720
tomorrow night ask for some additional

1138
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:09,599
information some image some guidance

1139
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,480
about what these balls of light could

1140
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,119
possibly be and it would be really

1141
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:18,000
wonderful if people would then send

1142
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:21,450
their the dreams they came up with to

1143
00:58:28,099 --> 00:58:24,570
the Facebook page you know and and just

1144
00:58:30,829 --> 00:58:28,109
love that yeah I think it could be

1145
00:58:34,460 --> 00:58:30,839
really exciting to see what it shows I

1146
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:34,470
think this is a great idea at Tom and PK

1147
00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:36,810
and I are going to post this again so

1148
00:58:42,140 --> 00:58:39,660
that people can can do what you're

1149
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:42,150
suggesting it would be wonderful to read

1150
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:43,680
everybody's

1151
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:46,140
rheems as they ask the question what are

1152
00:58:49,849 --> 00:58:48,210
these balls of light or however they

1153
00:58:52,579 --> 00:58:49,859
want to frame the question is fine and

1154
00:58:56,089 --> 00:58:52,589
just let us know this will set up a

1155
00:58:58,609 --> 00:58:56,099
whole new dialogue and again this show

1156
00:59:03,200 --> 00:58:58,619
is all about where paranormal is normal

1157
00:59:05,299 --> 00:59:03,210
so being able to interpret something

1158
00:59:07,730 --> 00:59:05,309
like that or find out the truth about a

1159
00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:07,740
paranormal event through dreaming what a

1160
00:59:11,809 --> 00:59:09,510
wonderful way to do that and again I

1161
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:11,819
want to keep encouraging everybody to

1162
00:59:17,089 --> 00:59:14,160
pay attention to their dreams do the

1163
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:17,099
dream work and you're gonna benefit so

1164
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:19,170
much from it and here's a wonderful way

1165
00:59:23,180 --> 00:59:21,450
that we can all join together and see

1166
00:59:26,530 --> 00:59:23,190
what our dreams tell us about these

1167
00:59:29,180 --> 00:59:26,540
balls of light I'm gonna do that

1168
00:59:34,339 --> 00:59:29,190
audience to this oh yeah we'll make a

1169
00:59:36,410 --> 00:59:34,349
chalice I'll do it also what what I

1170
00:59:39,950 --> 00:59:36,420
think might be happening you know is

1171
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:39,960
when we fall asleep and that's an

1172
00:59:44,750 --> 00:59:42,210
interesting word that we use you know

1173
00:59:46,790 --> 00:59:44,760
and it shows up in other languages we

1174
00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:46,800
don't ascend to sleep we don't go

1175
00:59:52,990 --> 00:59:50,430
sideways to sleep we fall into sin yeah

1176
00:59:57,380 --> 00:59:53,000
never thought both down you know some

1177
00:59:59,390 --> 00:59:57,390
maybe some reference to the old idea

1178
01:00:02,089 --> 00:59:59,400
that we went down into the underworld

1179
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:02,099
during our during dreams or or whatever

1180
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:05,220
but I think whatever that means part of

1181
01:00:13,220 --> 01:00:09,210
the following is that the ego loses its

1182
01:00:15,799 --> 01:00:13,230
grip on our consciousness and in this

1183
01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:15,809
we're in a state that isn't controlled

1184
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,140
by one way of seeing things and so we're

1185
01:00:24,730 --> 01:00:22,079
open to other sources of information and

1186
01:00:28,940 --> 01:00:24,740
possibilities and imagination and

1187
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:28,950
perspectives and I think that's one of

1188
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:31,290
the things that makes dream so powerful

1189
01:00:39,740 --> 01:00:35,760
is it it's a door well Jung said it it

1190
01:00:43,609 --> 01:00:39,750
it's um the dream is a secret little

1191
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:43,619
door hidden in the deepest recesses of

1192
01:00:51,020 --> 01:00:47,369
the psyche that opens out into cosmic

1193
01:00:54,049 --> 01:00:51,030
night he said hmm and and I think

1194
01:00:57,590 --> 01:00:54,059
through that door all kinds of things

1195
01:01:00,740 --> 01:00:57,600
come and we can go through that door

1196
01:01:04,070 --> 01:01:00,750
I would just like to tell one dream that

1197
01:01:06,790 --> 01:01:04,080
I think your listeners might be

1198
01:01:09,740 --> 01:01:06,800
interested in from my answer please

1199
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:09,750
yes and it changed my way of

1200
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:12,810
understanding the world I mean that's

1201
01:01:18,740 --> 01:01:15,930
how big this dream was I was in Union

1202
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:18,750
analysis with this yummy-yum analyst who

1203
01:01:24,140 --> 01:01:20,850
had worked with young in Switzerland and

1204
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:24,150
then she opened up a residential

1205
01:01:29,870 --> 01:01:25,890
treatment center in Litchfield

1206
01:01:32,260 --> 01:01:29,880
Connecticut yeah for young schizophrenic

1207
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:32,270
sand I worked there with her as a

1208
01:01:38,930 --> 01:01:35,730
therapist and I was also an analysis

1209
01:01:41,330 --> 01:01:38,940
with her for a number of years and then

1210
01:01:43,820 --> 01:01:41,340
I moved to British Columbia and I lived

1211
01:01:45,830 --> 01:01:43,830
on an island in British Columbia for a

1212
01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:45,840
number of years I woke up one morning

1213
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,000
with a dream and the dream is that I'm

1214
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:53,520
standing that we had a little conference

1215
01:01:59,150 --> 01:01:56,160
center on the property of this

1216
01:02:00,260 --> 01:01:59,160
residential treatment center where Renee

1217
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:00,270
that was her name

1218
01:02:05,450 --> 01:02:03,330
would do little conferences and courses

1219
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:05,460
and workshops on dreams and union

1220
01:02:11,930 --> 01:02:08,880
psychology in my dream Renee

1221
01:02:16,490 --> 01:02:11,940
there's a circle of people she's about

1222
01:02:18,290 --> 01:02:16,500
to begin a workshop on dreams and out of

1223
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:18,300
the kitchen comes the cook

1224
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:20,730
Joni and she says there's a phone call

1225
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:24,570
for you Renee and so Renee gets up goes

1226
01:02:30,830 --> 01:02:27,690
into the kitchen and I know like you

1227
01:02:33,860 --> 01:02:30,840
know in dreams sometimes that the dream

1228
01:02:37,790 --> 01:02:33,870
is about the death of her brother I also

1229
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:37,800
know from from knowing her that this was

1230
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:40,740
her last living relative and it was

1231
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:44,700
really gonna be a difficult news for her

1232
01:02:50,900 --> 01:02:48,450
she comes out of the kitchen I walk over

1233
01:02:53,810 --> 01:02:50,910
to her in the dream and I give her a hug

1234
01:02:56,180 --> 01:02:53,820
and I say I'm really really sorry to

1235
01:02:57,980 --> 01:02:56,190
hear about Carlos's death and she says

1236
01:03:00,770 --> 01:02:57,990
thank you very much and gives me a big

1237
01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:00,780
hug back and it's just a beautiful

1238
01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:05,460
moment and the dream ends so I write it

1239
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:08,460
down three months later I come back to

1240
01:03:12,830 --> 01:03:11,010
the East Coast and I

1241
01:03:15,380 --> 01:03:12,840
Renae and she says why don't we have

1242
01:03:18,740 --> 01:03:15,390
dinner together so we sit down we have

1243
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:18,750
dinner and in the course of dinner she

1244
01:03:23,390 --> 01:03:20,910
says have you had any interesting dreams

1245
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:23,400
lately which was a question she asked me

1246
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:26,130
many many times it wasn't a strange

1247
01:03:31,490 --> 01:03:29,730
thing for her to ask me and I said as a

1248
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:31,500
matter of fact I had a dream about you

1249
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:34,970
and I told her the dream I just told you

1250
01:03:42,290 --> 01:03:38,640
and she said when was that and I took

1251
01:03:46,550 --> 01:03:42,300
out my dream journal and I looked it up

1252
01:03:49,610 --> 01:03:46,560
and I said it was October 21st she takes

1253
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:49,620
out her appointment book and she says

1254
01:03:55,580 --> 01:03:53,930
that's exactly what was happening that

1255
01:03:59,210 --> 01:03:55,590
litchfield kinetic

1256
01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:59,220
ah you know I was in that circle Joni

1257
01:04:04,460 --> 01:04:02,400
came out said you have a phone call it

1258
01:04:07,970 --> 01:04:04,470
was about Carlos's death she said that's

1259
01:04:10,610 --> 01:04:07,980
interesting enough she said but what's

1260
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:10,620
really interesting was when I was coming

1261
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:13,260
out of the kitchen walking back to the

1262
01:04:19,220 --> 01:04:16,110
circle I was going to say I just don't

1263
01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:19,230
have the strength to go on with the

1264
01:04:24,650 --> 01:04:22,110
workshop right now I need some time but

1265
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:24,660
somewhere between that teach and door

1266
01:04:32,830 --> 01:04:29,250
and my seat I got strength and now I

1267
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:32,840
know where that strength came oh my god

1268
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:36,750
fabulous and and she got up from the

1269
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:39,210
table and walked over and gave me this

1270
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:41,220
big hug in this restaurant and said

1271
01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:44,130
thank you and sat down and we ended up

1272
01:04:51,530 --> 01:04:47,160
having this conversation and part of the

1273
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:51,540
conversation was how often does this

1274
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:54,480
happen you know I think it happens all

1275
01:04:59,840 --> 01:04:56,490
the time but we just happen to have a

1276
01:05:02,990 --> 01:04:59,850
relationship where she would ask me I I

1277
01:05:05,420 --> 01:05:03,000
didn't even say to her Renee I had a

1278
01:05:07,790 --> 01:05:05,430
dream the way I think about I can't

1279
01:05:09,590 --> 01:05:07,800
explain that I can't explain you can

1280
01:05:12,620 --> 01:05:09,600
call it out-of-body travel or you can

1281
01:05:15,050 --> 01:05:12,630
call it whatever but it felt like here

1282
01:05:17,210 --> 01:05:15,060
was a woman I mean this is just so

1283
01:05:21,830 --> 01:05:17,220
wonderful here was a woman who helped me

1284
01:05:24,740 --> 01:05:21,840
so much in my life as my analyst and I'm

1285
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:24,750
there in British Columbia three

1286
01:05:32,650 --> 01:05:27,450
thousand miles away kind of like Clark

1287
01:05:37,660 --> 01:05:32,660
Kent you know down the street my Oh

1288
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:40,550
some part of me that loved her and that

1289
01:05:50,780 --> 01:05:46,530
knew she was hurting smooth air a hug I

1290
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:50,790
mean that's astonishing it is it is what

1291
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:53,730
a beautiful experience that you had and

1292
01:05:58,250 --> 01:05:55,530
like you said this may be happening all

1293
01:06:00,310 --> 01:05:58,260
the time but we need to pay attention to

1294
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:00,320
our dreams and have these conversations

1295
01:06:08,810 --> 01:06:05,520
so that the next step can unfold so this

1296
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:08,820
is beautiful beautiful event that you

1297
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:12,510
and she had together Wow all I can say

1298
01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:14,970
about it is I can't explain it and the

1299
01:06:20,570 --> 01:06:17,940
explanations are not as powerful as the

1300
01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:20,580
experience you know in many ways yes but

1301
01:06:27,050 --> 01:06:23,640
there's more going on than meets the eye

1302
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:27,060
that's for sure and in this dream in

1303
01:06:33,710 --> 01:06:30,690
this great state it's a there's a door

1304
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:33,720
and we can do all kinds of things I

1305
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:36,240
think like go to Litchfield Rita and

1306
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:39,090
what's interesting was it was exactly

1307
01:06:43,820 --> 01:06:42,240
the same time it was six o'clock a.m. oh

1308
01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:43,830
wow

1309
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:47,070
Island and nine o'clock in which I don't

1310
01:06:52,670 --> 01:06:50,880
think it necessarily had to be because

1311
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:52,680
the dreams can do interesting things

1312
01:07:00,410 --> 01:06:56,450
with nine space but it happened to be

1313
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:00,420
just when that was happening and hoping

1314
01:07:08,030 --> 01:07:05,490
I'd get there how did I know that yes it

1315
01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:08,040
is incredible that it really speaks to

1316
01:07:13,220 --> 01:07:09,960
that we are all connected and especially

1317
01:07:16,220 --> 01:07:13,230
you had such a love and respect for each

1318
01:07:19,790 --> 01:07:16,230
other and so you responded to something

1319
01:07:23,660 --> 01:07:19,800
somewhere just a beautiful event just

1320
01:07:27,070 --> 01:07:23,670
beautiful and again I believe Tom we can

1321
01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:27,080
all have these types of experiences but

1322
01:07:32,780 --> 01:07:29,640
we do need to pay attention to our

1323
01:07:35,780 --> 01:07:32,790
dreams keep the dream journal top people

1324
01:07:38,570 --> 01:07:35,790
about our dreams develop very more than

1325
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:38,580
our own friendships have it happen

1326
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,490
if you have a dream about somebody and

1327
01:07:45,770 --> 01:07:43,200
you have to be careful about this

1328
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:45,780
because you know sometimes the dreams

1329
01:07:50,270 --> 01:07:47,730
are people are gonna think they're

1330
01:07:53,780 --> 01:07:50,280
really weird but sometimes it's really

1331
01:07:55,220 --> 01:07:53,790
important to tell a person I had a dream

1332
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:55,230
about you last night

1333
01:08:02,690 --> 01:08:00,000
cuz the dream might be for them yes fool

1334
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:02,700
you but it might be their dream that it

1335
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:06,000
could be yes it has happened it has

1336
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:09,210
absolutely so it's so important and

1337
01:08:14,030 --> 01:08:12,330
again your book details a lot of the

1338
01:08:17,390 --> 01:08:14,040
techniques and the tools that people

1339
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:17,400
need to begin this journey or to start

1340
01:08:21,650 --> 01:08:19,170
it up when they maybe they started this

1341
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:21,660
a while ago put it away time to dust it

1342
01:08:26,270 --> 01:08:24,120
off and bring it back around so this is

1343
01:08:28,579 --> 01:08:26,280
a book to get the transformational power

1344
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:28,589
of dreaming I've got a bunch more

1345
01:08:32,180 --> 01:08:30,900
questions from the chat room also let me

1346
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:32,190
see if I can get to just a couple

1347
01:08:36,860 --> 01:08:34,410
somebody wants to know can you actually

1348
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:36,870
die for real in a dream so if I guess

1349
01:08:44,440 --> 01:08:38,370
who they're asking is if you dream about

1350
01:08:51,710 --> 01:08:48,470
death in a dream is more often than not

1351
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:51,720
has nothing to do with physical death it

1352
01:09:01,220 --> 01:08:56,370
really has to do with change and then a

1353
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:01,230
big dying to one and something new and

1354
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:03,930
that's that's the best possible way to

1355
01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:08,850
think about death in a dream I imagine

1356
01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:13,049
people have died in you know a dream

1357
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:16,710
state but we don't know because right

1358
01:09:23,210 --> 01:09:19,170
it'd be hard to know wouldn't it be hard

1359
01:09:26,900 --> 01:09:23,220
to know but I certainly now have died in

1360
01:09:30,170 --> 01:09:26,910
their dreams and woke up and and it

1361
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:30,180
really did have to the word dream and

1362
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:34,410
the word drama come from exactly the

1363
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,930
same etymological root so if dreams want

1364
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:41,520
to tell us something they're gonna tell

1365
01:09:48,490 --> 01:09:44,490
us something in a dramatic kind of way

1366
01:09:51,239 --> 01:09:48,500
and if changes is coming they're gonna

1367
01:09:54,839 --> 01:09:51,249
present it as death

1368
01:09:59,580 --> 01:09:54,849
often times oh but you know I think if

1369
01:10:01,529 --> 01:09:59,590
someone dreams about Abraham Lincoln you

1370
01:10:03,810 --> 01:10:01,539
know four days before he was

1371
01:10:06,689 --> 01:10:03,820
assassinated it had a dream he came down

1372
01:10:08,669 --> 01:10:06,699
the stairs and there was this hush sad

1373
01:10:11,819 --> 01:10:08,679
feeling in the White House and there was

1374
01:10:14,129 --> 01:10:11,829
someone standing outside the room where

1375
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:14,139
this hush this kind of something was

1376
01:10:19,229 --> 01:10:17,110
going on and he said what's going on in

1377
01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:19,239
there and they said the president's been

1378
01:10:27,779 --> 01:10:23,409
killed that was Lincoln's dream four

1379
01:10:33,919 --> 01:10:27,789
days before he was killed yes that's

1380
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:33,929
right you can dream about yes awesome

1381
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:37,210
yeah let me just mention I feel little

1382
01:10:41,850 --> 01:10:39,760
dreams go ahead yeah I just wanted to

1383
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:41,860
say to everybody out in our audience

1384
01:10:46,859 --> 01:10:44,800
tonight that I know a lot of people are

1385
01:10:50,370 --> 01:10:46,869
interested in becoming more psychic more

1386
01:10:52,469 --> 01:10:50,380
intuitive this is a great way to do it I

1387
01:10:55,709 --> 01:10:52,479
mean if you pay attention to your dreams

1388
01:10:59,459 --> 01:10:55,719
you can become precognitive I remember a

1389
01:11:01,469 --> 01:10:59,469
week before 9/11 happened and I had said

1390
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:01,479
to my husband there was going to be a

1391
01:11:06,060 --> 01:11:03,610
terrorist attack on American soil he

1392
01:11:08,339 --> 01:11:06,070
left his hat off at me oh you thought

1393
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:08,349
that was the stupidest thing I ever said

1394
01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:11,610
and yet a week later my dream came

1395
01:11:16,529 --> 01:11:13,960
unfortunately true this is what happened

1396
01:11:19,169 --> 01:11:16,539
so again I've worked with my dreams for

1397
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:19,179
many many years and so I this is true

1398
01:11:24,689 --> 01:11:21,760
for everybody that I know and everybody

1399
01:11:28,620 --> 01:11:24,699
I've worked with with dreams you can

1400
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:28,630
become precognitive you can become more

1401
01:11:32,939 --> 01:11:31,210
intuitive more psychic through paying

1402
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:32,949
attention to your dreams it is so

1403
01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:35,050
worthwhile I want to urge everybody to

1404
01:11:40,649 --> 01:11:37,150
do that so go ahead time you wanted to

1405
01:11:46,169 --> 01:11:40,659
share something I just I just wanted to

1406
01:11:49,169 --> 01:11:46,179
say that my teacher James Hillman used

1407
01:11:51,770 --> 01:11:49,179
to like to say any meaning that we get

1408
01:11:55,020 --> 01:11:51,780
from a dream is one of many

1409
01:11:58,500 --> 01:11:55,030
possibilities at the end of a good dream

1410
01:12:00,899 --> 01:11:58,510
session if I'm working with someone the

1411
01:12:03,029 --> 01:12:00,909
ending is that they got something really

1412
01:12:05,100 --> 01:12:03,039
valuable that was useful and helpful in

1413
01:12:07,550 --> 01:12:05,110
their life and yet there's still

1414
01:12:11,580 --> 01:12:07,560
this sense that there's so much more

1415
01:12:14,700 --> 01:12:11,590
that the dream has to give us and I just

1416
01:12:17,310 --> 01:12:14,710
wanted to say that an example of how

1417
01:12:20,459 --> 01:12:17,320
dreams can mean different things on

1418
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:20,469
different levels a woman comes into my

1419
01:12:27,060 --> 01:12:22,810
office she tells me a dream she's

1420
01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:27,070
driving along the highway she exits a

1421
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:30,400
right exit that goes down the hill the

1422
01:12:36,959 --> 01:12:34,449
exit stops at a crossroad at E there's a

1423
01:12:40,410 --> 01:12:36,969
traffic light and she's going down the

1424
01:12:42,629 --> 01:12:40,420
hill there's traffic going and she puts

1425
01:12:47,220 --> 01:12:42,639
on her brakes and she has no brakes and

1426
01:12:50,430 --> 01:12:47,230
she wakes up terrified not an unusual

1427
01:12:54,030 --> 01:12:50,440
dream so she tells me that during the

1428
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:54,040
first thing I say to her is have you had

1429
01:13:01,680 --> 01:12:57,730
your brakes checked lately and she's

1430
01:13:04,050 --> 01:13:01,690
fine she laughs and and she said no I

1431
01:13:06,629 --> 01:13:04,060
think they're fine you know but I'm

1432
01:13:09,060 --> 01:13:06,639
having my car inspected next week and

1433
01:13:12,090 --> 01:13:09,070
they'll check the brakes I said good so

1434
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:12,100
then I went to the next thing which is I

1435
01:13:15,060 --> 01:13:14,080
would encourage your listeners to do

1436
01:13:18,530 --> 01:13:15,070
with their dreams

1437
01:13:22,740 --> 01:13:18,540
what's your association with that exit

1438
01:13:25,290 --> 01:13:22,750
sigourney Street exit then she said to

1439
01:13:28,379 --> 01:13:25,300
me well that's where I get off to visit

1440
01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,389
my new boyfriend John she had been in a

1441
01:13:33,419 --> 01:13:30,880
relationship with about three months at

1442
01:13:35,729 --> 01:13:33,429
that point and I said to her house that

1443
01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:35,739
relationship going and totally

1444
01:13:41,939 --> 01:13:38,860
unconsciously she says to me she says

1445
01:13:46,169 --> 01:13:41,949
well I'm afraid I'm doing what I often

1446
01:13:48,629 --> 01:13:46,179
do I'm going too fast in in the

1447
01:13:51,300 --> 01:13:48,639
relationship it feels out of control

1448
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:51,310
I'd like to slow it down maybe even stop

1449
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:54,130
it for a while but I can't it's just out

1450
01:14:01,109 --> 01:13:57,250
of control no connection whatsoever it's

1451
01:14:03,169 --> 01:14:01,119
in the dream all right I saw Mike good

1452
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:03,179
he just said to her I said do you feel

1453
01:14:07,890 --> 01:14:05,679
been in the relationship the way you

1454
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:07,900
felt in the car when you couldn't stop

1455
01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:11,170
and she said yes and we talked and she

1456
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:14,710
said you know I'd like to talk with John

1457
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:17,440
about it but I'm afraid he's gonna think

1458
01:14:20,580 --> 01:14:18,370
I want to end

1459
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:20,590
relationship and I just want to slow it

1460
01:14:25,230 --> 01:14:23,110
down a little bit because I do this over

1461
01:14:28,350 --> 01:14:25,240
and over and I end relationships because

1462
01:14:30,570 --> 01:14:28,360
I go too far too fast in the dreams so

1463
01:14:32,580 --> 01:14:30,580
she comes back the next week she sits

1464
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:32,590
down she has this little sheepish smile

1465
01:14:39,690 --> 01:14:37,090
on her face she said you know my

1466
01:14:49,950 --> 01:14:39,700
mechanic said I had no brake pads

1467
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:49,960
whatsoever it was meh and so hmm

1468
01:14:57,150 --> 01:14:53,650
so then I said she said I had that talk

1469
01:14:59,670 --> 01:14:57,160
with John about slowing down and she

1470
01:15:02,040 --> 01:14:59,680
said he wanted to do the same thing he

1471
01:15:04,260 --> 01:15:02,050
just felt so much pressure and we were

1472
01:15:06,330 --> 01:15:04,270
going too fast and he thought I was

1473
01:15:08,180 --> 01:15:06,340
gonna ask him could I move in and let's

1474
01:15:10,980 --> 01:15:08,190
get married

1475
01:15:14,730 --> 01:15:10,990
so we Jen and we talked about that for

1476
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:14,740
many sessions to go but the way I kind

1477
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:19,450
of think about it is story editors like

1478
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:22,930
in Hollywood who make up the plot of a

1479
01:15:28,770 --> 01:15:26,320
movie I think during those dreams come

1480
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:28,780
every 90 minutes throughout the night

1481
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:30,850
it's a it's a whole other conversation

1482
01:15:36,150 --> 01:15:33,690
we could have about what's going on

1483
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:36,160
amazingly in the body when we're

1484
01:15:41,610 --> 01:15:39,130
dreaming but anyhow during those 80

1485
01:15:44,430 --> 01:15:41,620
minutes or so before the dream begins

1486
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:44,440
there the story editors sitting around

1487
01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:47,730
in our sights and one of them the really

1488
01:15:52,410 --> 01:15:50,800
practical dude on the committee says you

1489
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:52,420
know we got to talk to her about her

1490
01:15:57,150 --> 01:15:54,730
brakes because it's not equipment a

1491
01:15:59,820 --> 01:15:57,160
fixer breaks it doesn't matter all this

1492
01:16:02,820 --> 01:15:59,830
technological stuff she's gonna be dead

1493
01:16:05,730 --> 01:16:02,830
okay and there's a person writing down

1494
01:16:09,180 --> 01:16:05,740
ideas and then the sensitive probably

1495
01:16:11,580 --> 01:16:09,190
woman relationship person says you know

1496
01:16:13,770 --> 01:16:11,590
she's out of control again in her

1497
01:16:15,420 --> 01:16:13,780
relationship with John we got to slow

1498
01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:15,430
her down she's gonna ruin that

1499
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:17,710
relationship like she's ruined the last

1500
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:20,530
four so there write that down and now

1501
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:23,110
the clock is ticking REM is about this

1502
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:25,510
start and they say then the creative

1503
01:16:30,660 --> 01:16:28,090
person on the committee says here I got

1504
01:16:31,740 --> 01:16:30,670
an idea whatever going along route 84

1505
01:16:40,230 --> 01:16:31,750
exit

1506
01:16:42,420 --> 01:16:40,240
can't stop and in the can drop the dream

1507
01:16:44,580 --> 01:16:42,430
in the psyche and off we go

1508
01:16:46,740 --> 01:16:44,590
and it's talking about the most

1509
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:46,750
practical thing and it's talking about

1510
01:16:54,450 --> 01:16:50,800
this ongoing life issue both at the same

1511
01:16:55,940 --> 01:16:54,460
time and dreams are immensely creative

1512
01:17:00,150 --> 01:16:55,950
and that's a whole other topic

1513
01:17:02,490 --> 01:17:00,160
creativity but it's so important I mean

1514
01:17:06,830 --> 01:17:02,500
again this is why we need to pay

1515
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:06,840
attention and I'm so glad that you and

1516
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:09,280
Steven wrote this book together because

1517
01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:12,610
it really people need people need your

1518
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:14,560
book people need to understand the power

1519
01:17:21,810 --> 01:17:19,210
that's in you know if they want this

1520
01:17:24,210 --> 01:17:21,820
type of relationship with cosmic

1521
01:17:26,850 --> 01:17:24,220
consciousness this is a way to get it

1522
01:17:29,370 --> 01:17:26,860
and what better way than to pay

1523
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:29,380
attention to your very own dreams it's

1524
01:17:35,550 --> 01:17:32,530
so important this is important work it's

1525
01:17:36,420 --> 01:17:35,560
fun work its mouthful it'll save your

1526
01:17:40,290 --> 01:17:36,430
life

1527
01:17:42,750 --> 01:17:40,300
you know it's save your relationships is

1528
01:17:45,090 --> 01:17:42,760
what could I mean there's nothing better

1529
01:17:47,010 --> 01:17:45,100
in my opinion then dream work and Tom

1530
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:47,020
again thank you so much this has gone

1531
01:17:52,130 --> 01:17:50,170
way too fast this show is way too short

1532
01:17:57,390 --> 01:17:52,140
we're gonna have to have you come back

1533
01:18:00,300 --> 01:17:57,400
because it's so much more to talk about

1534
01:18:01,890 --> 01:18:00,310
and you definitely have you back but

1535
01:18:04,050 --> 01:18:01,900
anyways I'm sorry everybody I know

1536
01:18:05,700 --> 01:18:04,060
either a ton more questions in the chat

1537
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:05,710
room and they were all good questions

1538
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:07,210
I'm sorry you couldn't get to you all

1539
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:10,290
tonight but do get a copy of Tom's

1540
01:18:16,380 --> 01:18:13,930
terrific book yeah again true is the

1541
01:18:18,620 --> 01:18:16,390
transformational power of dreaming

1542
01:18:21,780 --> 01:18:18,630
discovering the wishes of the soul it's

1543
01:18:24,270 --> 01:18:21,790
great and keep your dream journal take a

1544
01:18:26,460 --> 01:18:24,280
look at those lights on the driveway and

1545
01:18:30,780 --> 01:18:26,470
we're all going to do some dreaming on

1546
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:30,790
this to figure it out what we want to

1547
01:18:38,010 --> 01:18:33,850
know it's this paranormal event has to

1548
01:18:40,050 --> 01:18:38,020
do with us all of us so we're gonna find

1549
01:18:41,850 --> 01:18:40,060
out and then in the meantime everybody

1550
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:41,860
will be back next week with another new

1551
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:44,050
show we caught going back to talking

1552
01:18:46,589 --> 01:18:45,010
about alien

1553
01:18:49,259 --> 01:18:46,599
we have a lady coming in she's gonna

1554
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:49,269
fascinate you all about aliens

1555
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:51,280
earthquakes hurricanes we're gonna do it

1556
01:18:56,580 --> 01:18:54,489
all next week in the meantime we'll see

1557
01:18:58,130 --> 01:18:56,590
you on the blue Highway good night